Your article makes the craziness of it all come back to me big time. The unethical behaviour of all and sundry. And for people not to see the inhumanity of it all.
The nurse in Germany obviously also behaved in an unethical way by injecting saline in the unsuspecting elderly.
Would be great if that group of 8600 people was used as a control group. A missed opportunity if they were not (however ethics might get in the way…).
I agree it certainly wasn't informed consent to give saline and was unethical, even if she believed she was doing a noble thing. At that time, from the available information we had, I did believe the potential benefits for that age group appeared to greatly outweigh the risks. I fully supported offering and using the vaccines in older adults and people with risk factors for severe infection - which included my own parents btw - as long as they were informed about the unknowns. Over time my perspective has changed on that question.
The story of the German man who killed himself and his family after getting caught with a fake vaccine certificate was awful and emblematic of just how out of control things were in the drive to vaccinate and re-vaccinate entire populations, even against their will.
I think you can see from the messiness of my dense stitching the real low points of the pandemic for me, when the stress of the propaganda war against the unvaccinated was really ramping up. I've kept in the bits I don't like because those pieces remind me how low I felt.
I was already thinking that the tapistry density reflected the state of mind. So many issues at that time it was really unreal.
I am actually not that sure about vaccinating the elderly anymore. I also heard anecdotal reports that elderly people died shortly after vaccination, simply because they were too frail to cope with it. Wonder how these were recorded (deaths within 14 days of vaccination were not being counted as due to vaccination?).
Are there any papers published on vaccination of the elderly?
The other question I have is whether it is possible that the arrival of a new variant (Delta) at the same time of the vaccination (December 2020) was a compounding factor affecting calculations of vaccine effectiveness. You could argue that the newer variant was potentially less lethal.
So many unanswered questions.
If only people had an open mind, we would have been so much further in our knowledge.
Yes as I said my thinking has changed over time on that one.
I have been keeping a log of/yellow carding events with a temporal relationship to vaccination - there are certain correlations- CV, thromboembolic, vasculitic, autoimmune, neuro, cellulitis. Also sudden death at home in older people with co-morbidities, so unexpected but not necessarily surprising. There's only so far you can go with a small sample size, but it would be perfectly possible to audit this - you'd need to look at case notes though rather than relying on coding.
Great you are keeping a log. Could you pair these with an unvaccinated cohort and make it a small study?
I know in humans you usually have 1000s of people in a study, but in veterinary medicine we generally have to make do with really low numbers. 50 is already a lot.
Unfortunately not because such high vaccine coverage in 2021 especially, so unvaccinated cohort not big enough. There are other ways of looking at it, but I would need a statistician to help me prove whether it is statistically significant.
Your article makes the craziness of it all come back to me big time. The unethical behaviour of all and sundry. And for people not to see the inhumanity of it all.
The nurse in Germany obviously also behaved in an unethical way by injecting saline in the unsuspecting elderly.
Would be great if that group of 8600 people was used as a control group. A missed opportunity if they were not (however ethics might get in the way…).
Your tapestries are getting very dense!
I agree it certainly wasn't informed consent to give saline and was unethical, even if she believed she was doing a noble thing. At that time, from the available information we had, I did believe the potential benefits for that age group appeared to greatly outweigh the risks. I fully supported offering and using the vaccines in older adults and people with risk factors for severe infection - which included my own parents btw - as long as they were informed about the unknowns. Over time my perspective has changed on that question.
The story of the German man who killed himself and his family after getting caught with a fake vaccine certificate was awful and emblematic of just how out of control things were in the drive to vaccinate and re-vaccinate entire populations, even against their will.
I think you can see from the messiness of my dense stitching the real low points of the pandemic for me, when the stress of the propaganda war against the unvaccinated was really ramping up. I've kept in the bits I don't like because those pieces remind me how low I felt.
I was already thinking that the tapistry density reflected the state of mind. So many issues at that time it was really unreal.
I am actually not that sure about vaccinating the elderly anymore. I also heard anecdotal reports that elderly people died shortly after vaccination, simply because they were too frail to cope with it. Wonder how these were recorded (deaths within 14 days of vaccination were not being counted as due to vaccination?).
Are there any papers published on vaccination of the elderly?
The other question I have is whether it is possible that the arrival of a new variant (Delta) at the same time of the vaccination (December 2020) was a compounding factor affecting calculations of vaccine effectiveness. You could argue that the newer variant was potentially less lethal.
So many unanswered questions.
If only people had an open mind, we would have been so much further in our knowledge.
So many missed opportunities for research.
Yes as I said my thinking has changed over time on that one.
I have been keeping a log of/yellow carding events with a temporal relationship to vaccination - there are certain correlations- CV, thromboembolic, vasculitic, autoimmune, neuro, cellulitis. Also sudden death at home in older people with co-morbidities, so unexpected but not necessarily surprising. There's only so far you can go with a small sample size, but it would be perfectly possible to audit this - you'd need to look at case notes though rather than relying on coding.
Great you are keeping a log. Could you pair these with an unvaccinated cohort and make it a small study?
I know in humans you usually have 1000s of people in a study, but in veterinary medicine we generally have to make do with really low numbers. 50 is already a lot.
Unfortunately not because such high vaccine coverage in 2021 especially, so unvaccinated cohort not big enough. There are other ways of looking at it, but I would need a statistician to help me prove whether it is statistically significant.
Could Norman Fenton help?